 |
|
| Rachel Lyon (photo: Pieter M. van Hattem) |
|
Rachel Lyon's debut novel, Self-Portrait with Boy, was a finalist for the Center for Fiction's First Novel Prize. An editor emerita for Epiphany, Lyon has taught creative writing at the Sackett Street Writers Workshop, Bennington College, and other institutions. A native of Brooklyn, N.Y., she lives in western Massachusetts with her husband and two young children. Her second novel, Fruit of the Dead (Scribner, March 5, 2024), is a smart, chilling, richly detailed retelling of the Demeter-Persephone myth in modern times.
Was it the Demeter and Persephone myth that struck you? Or was there a different impetus?
The myth actually came in midway through the writing process. I was working on a book about a young woman who becomes entangled with a middle-aged man and all the power dynamics of that. I started thinking about precedents of this story, and landed on the Persephone myth. There were many structural similarities to the book already, so I worked on a pretty massive rewrite with Persephone as a model. There was a version of the book that involved Zeus and other mythological characters, but I ended up sticking pretty close to my original characters, just infusing the myth into the book that I had.
It was the beginning of the #metoo movement, and I was frustrated by a lot of men's reactions. A lot of "gee, how is this suddenly happening now?" And I was like, it's not sudden! This is an ancient story. So that's what I hope people get from the mythological element here, the idea of how ancient this story is.
Why did your story need Spenser and Fern?
I don't know if I knew that Cory was going to be a caretaker, but babysitting is just one of those jobs that so many young women have. Caretaking became a really central theme as I began to include her mother's voice. I myself was in the process of starting a family as I was working on the book, so it was inescapable for me on a personal level, writing about caretaking and young children.
I love writing children. I taught elementary school for a couple of years before grad school, and I did a bunch of babysitting myself before I had kids, and I just think kids are so funny. I don't think they're always given enough dignity or personality on the page. So I was really interested in taking a stab at that.
And Cory couldn't really go work for Rolo without any experience. So on a plot level, it had to be something easy that she was going to go do. Rolo uses them as signals: "I'm a dad. I'm a friendly character."
Did you always know the story would be told in alternating points of view?
No. When I was beginning to incorporate the mythology, I started looking specifically for texts told in Persephone's perspective, and I couldn't find any. So my first project was to write a story for her, from her point of view, and to give her some agency. Because honestly, in so many versions, she's abducted, she's raped, she's negotiated over, and she's saved. She has no agency at all. In a contemporary novel we want our characters to have some agency. I wanted to do that for her, for this conceptual Persephone. But as I continued working on it and I became a parent myself, I felt more and more like I needed to include Demeter's voice. And it was particularly useful because I was writing this teenaged character who's not well equipped to make intelligent thoughtful decisions for herself. Without an extra pair of eyes or an extra voice that could look at her from the outside and communicate her to the reader, I felt like it was possible that the reader would not be able to see her from the outside. I needed this character to be a loving, worried, invested, exterior voice.
Tell us more about your research.
I read several versions. I kept coming back to the Homeric hymn to Demeter. It felt manageable--it's only a few pages long--and it's very strange. There's this weird tangent in the middle of Demeter's hunt where she loses hope, and becomes involved as a caretaker in a family. She's a wet nurse for this baby. She's in drag as an old woman, and she ends up dipping this child, anointing him in flames, and his mother rushes in and freaks out at her, and Demeter flies into a rage and reveals herself. She says, "How dare you question me? I'm a goddess!" and the woman of course is like, "Oh god no" and they build a temple to Demeter there... the child ends up half immortal or something. And then Demeter goes on with her hunt. It's a really weird moment in this retelling, because it has nothing to do with the main plot. I struggled for a while: Do I just elide that moment? Or is it even possible to make the novel work with that bizarre tangent? I was talking to another writer about it and she was like, you gotta try. So I tried. Emer loses it and she becomes involved with another family for a moment before resuming her hunt.
How different was this one from your first novel?
Very different. Everyone says when you write your first novel, you have to teach yourself how to write a novel. I think that's true. It was true in my experience. I relied pretty heavily on suspense. That book is a will she/won't she book. Its main thrust comes from the reader wondering if she'll ever tell this secret. And that's what keeps you turning the pages. With this one I didn't really have that. You're not waiting for something to be revealed, although you are waiting for the other shoe to drop. So I maybe taught myself how to do that with Self-Portrait with Boy, but, no, it's a totally different book.
Self-Portrait with Boy is based on an incident that occurred in the building that I grew up in when I was a kid. A boy fell off the roof. It was a very sad thing that happened in that community. The book is totally fictional, but I drew on that one event, and then the pastiche, that world that I had grown up in for the book. On that level it's vaguely autobiographical, aesthetically. This book is not aesthetically autobiographical, but it's much more personal. I think I got annoyed writing a character who was different from me on so many levels. It wasn't as interesting to me in the end. You work on a book for so long, and if you can't get something out of it, I feel like it dies on the page. It felt important for me with my second book to write something I was really struggling with. At the time I started working on this book, that [struggle] was mistakes I made in my youth and substance issues and all this kind of naughty, feminine stuff. I'm hoping that the more I work on these long projects the more personal I can get, because it felt really good to get to work hard with that material and I'd like to continue down that road. --Julia Kastner