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Baptiste Paul |
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Young Vo |
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Baptiste Paul is a Caribbean-born children's book author whose debut picture book, The Field, was inspired by his childhood in St. Lucia. His follow-up to The Field, Climb On!, is now available (NorthSouth, $18.95). Animator and illustrator Young Vo's debut picture book is Gibberish (reviewed in this issue; Levine Querido, $17.99). Here they discuss their books' shared themes, friendship, teamwork and language as cause for celebration.
Baptiste Paul: Our books Gibberish and Climb On! are about letting someone else show and teach you about something new. Gibberish is a book about learning to see the world through a new lens. Is that what you intended?
Young Vo: When I first wrote Gibberish, it was about making friends. It evolved to crossing the language barrier, then the idea of learning someone's name. You could say that all those things are in Gibberish. The moment that Dat and Julie connected their drawings and words for a tree was when those ideas took shape for me. The first time we saw Dat and his Mah, they stood next to a coconut tree. When Julie first talked to Dat, she jumped from a tree. A tree was a great contact point because it showed how differently they saw the world, and at the same time, how similar things can be. In Gibberish, once you can see from someone's perspective, their strangeness falls away, and commonalities begin to come through.
Baptiste, in Climb On! the dad must do something out of his comfort zone. Is that something you have experienced as a parent?
Paul: Being a parent puts us in a lot of uncomfortable positions. Hiking is an activity that I enjoy, but when my daughter asked to climb the mountain, I had already climbed it several times and I was not planning on doing it again. I knew how exhausting it was. And now I'm even older! But how could I deny her a first experience with a view of my homeland from the top?
Vo: Have your personal stories shown you the value of teamwork?
For me, teamwork was not one of the original sparks for Gibberish but was instead an organic by-product when I tried building a relationship between Dat and Julie. They started to work together when Julie shared her colored pencil and sketchbook. This is very true in my own life, but unlike Dat, my first class in school was very different. The school I went to didn't have an ESL (English as a Second Language) program, so they put me in a class for special needs children. They didn't know what to do with me, so they gave me a piece of paper and a pencil, which was perfect because I loved to draw. I drew what I knew and what I saw, and my teacher and classmates helped put words to my drawings. During recess, I helped push my friends in their wheelchairs, get things out of reach and clean up when needed. We eventually worked together through the alphabet.
Paul: I am glad you asked about teamwork because growing and playing futbol we supported each other, just like the characters in Climb On! Teamwork is about helping. In Climb On!, when the dad and the daughter struggle at different stages of the hike, the other one is there to offer support.
Talking about what language means and our cultural inheritance... in terms of my language, I grew up with both a sense of pride and shame. At home Creole was celebrated and at school it was forbidden. Some of our teachers punished us if we spoke Creole at school. I actively choose to pass on the pride versus the shame--I aim to show that it's worthy of books as well.
Vo: As a kid, I didn't know I was a Vietnamese refugee. I didn't fully understand what made me different. My differences were in the background of my mind. I guess that's the beauty of a child's mind. Those differences didn't move into the foreground until someone yelled at me from a car, "go back where you came from." I didn't quite put it together until the friend I was walking with said, "that was dumb." From that moment, I learned that people saw me as different. There were many similar moments like that growing up, but it was not until I had to write an essay on my Mah that the significance of being a Vietnamese refugee came into view. My Mah's stories and my experience growing up blended together, giving me a new layer of understanding.
So, how do these ideas and feelings emerge in Gibberish? One way was to show the journey. We first see Dat and his Mah on the very edge of the page, looking out to the ocean, almost being pushed into the water. Next page, we see them sailing into the dark; during the page turn was the refugee camp. On the following page, a dark sea, and we see a plane flying into a new day. Another way is simply the name Dat, a common Vietnamese name.
I hope young people learn to be brave like Dat: go to new places, try new things and know it's ok to feel a little lost sometimes. I hope young people want to be kind like Julie: step out of the crowd, talk to someone new and help someone who is a little lost.
Paul: Just like you said, "be brave... go to new places... try new things...." I think a book like Climb On! could be the spark that a young person needs to experience the beauty that exists in this world. I hope young people use this book as a springboard to get outside and enjoy nature. For me, partaking in outdoor activities is one of the most peaceful and rewarding parts of my life. It is a gift that I hope young people will also enjoy.
Baptiste Paul and Young Vo: Going New Places, Trying New Things